The Wolf Game - Murder Party - Day 5 - Infiltrators and Nafen win!

I didn’t have any contact with TheBrickWall. Wonder if some Infiltrator knew of “the thing Lysk could use …” … By how he played I guess not.
I don’t really have anything to add to his death though and with the current information I have, am not able to form any reasonable theory to why he was killed from the top of my head …

Also note that the third party wasn’t active last night … did we manage to get that third party? Did the Infiltrators manage to eliminate or decimate this third party? All stuff we don’t know and could be useful if we knew … maybe Lysk knows with his aggressive information gathering but I haven’t seen him share anything concerning that third party. I would go even as far as say that it was noticeable vacant from the discussion yesterday …

Moving on to the results of yesterdays lynch. I am very concerned about the result we got. We have no idea what Cosmos was. By the sound of his alignment he was the only one. I also think it is possible he himself didn’t know what he was … he might have been able to influence the game at a later stage. Stamping him off as a “troublemaker” sounds more like a way to silence one’s conscience.
What I’m trying to say is that I find it overly convenient for Cosmos to turn out to neither be staff nor infiltrator. I hope for everyone to not just take this as a quirk and move on as if we had Lynched an infiltrator yesterday, because we have not.

It’s quite possible, as per the above discussion, that we’ve accidentally lynched one of the more flexible roles, so yeah, yesterday sucked.

I don’t have anything much to add, except that Noble was asking particularly probing questions about the description of my role, and I’m wondering why.

I don’t really have much of anything to add at this point in time. BrickWall’s opposition to Lysk’s plan yesterday seemed suspicious to me, but with them being last night’s victim, I’m out of suspects.

The fact that Cosmos doesn’t seem to have been either a human or wolf is odd. Makes me wonder if he was the only one of that alignment, or if there are others.

If you’re talking about me. . . I forgot to post yesterday.

With his last, dying breath, Megarith utters a feint “Fuck…”.

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I wasn’t talking about you in that quote. But yesterday I mentioned you. You may want to read up and answer on the questions I asked back then …

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About 3rd parties…

I do not believe there is a third party at play. We have not so many players and in most respects this game seems to have taken us back to the roots of the game.

My belief is that ‘the defector’ was a sleeper role which could flip to become a wolf if a certain set of conditions are met. Therefore I believe Cosmos’ lynch was a win for us humans.

However we should not trust Lysk more than we already do since if he were a wolf he would have thought Cosmos human regardless of the sleeper role. So this lynch neither validates nor invalidates LyskTrevise.

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This?

I had nothing to add to yesterday’s discussion, so like I’ve already said, I forgot to post entirely.

I don’t really have much of anything to say about yesterday that wasn’t already said by someone else then. I’ve already mentioned my thoughts on TheBrickWall. I thought Hollifer’s attempts to stall the lynch were odd; to me, they seemed like the actions of either an inexperienced human player or a clumsy wolf. And I agree that the poll was almost certainly manipulated.

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I believe that if there WAS a third party, it was just a lone neutral player.

However, now that you bring this up noble: [quote=“NobleBrutus, post:267, topic:5314”]
My belief is that ‘the defector’ was a sleeper role
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Perhaps it is time I let everyone know what I learned during the night.

So, yesterday some of you might have noticed that @Hollifer posted this, in violation of the edit rule it is now deleted I believe:

Last night I questioned her about her role, and she claimed to be immune to dying at night, without exception, and could “visit” other players to protect them. However, due to my paranoia with another player, I asked for her role name. She claims to be the “Seductress”. If any of you google “Mafia game Seductress” this is the first link youll find:

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=Converter

On this wikipedia page it describes a role called the “Converter”, sometimes called a “Seductress”. This role is a wolf/Mafia role, and is used to convert other players to the wolf team.

Role Description:

The Converter is a mafia-aligned player with a 1-shot night ability to convert someone to the mafia team.

On night 1 Hollifer was locked up, and thus could not convert anyone. Last night, after learning this, I asked the Jailer to lock her up again to ensure she could not convert anyone else - namely, me as I was afraid with my status in the game people might trust me with confidential information, and potentially convert me. Yes, I am aware of the existence of a Jailer role. I wont say who it is.

Now, I’m not saying for SURE that Martin made the Seductress role the same as the wiki. In fact, it doesn’t seem like something he would do. However, I can’t ignore the possibility that such a dangerous role could potentially be in the hands of a wolf.

I’m a bit embarrassed to say that despite freaking out and stressing hardcore last night, I did not even consider Noble’s idea. I’m glad he got it into the open. It is possible that Hollifer’s role could ONLY be used on the Defector. I have no idea.

Either way, its fishy as hell.

What do you all think? @NobleBrutus @Lomsor And I’d especially I’d like to hear from @TerranAmbass about yesterday and today. I see he says he doesn’t really have much else to contribute, but thats a total lie. Come on man. What did you think of Cosmos’ argument? What did you make of BrickWall’s arguments about the roles? Why do you think the poll was manipulated? What do you think of Hollifer now that I’ve revealed this information? We need as much info as you can provide us, so we can determine whether you are a wolf or a human. If you don’t provide this information, I guess well have to assume youre intentionally not posting much in order to deprive us of that information…

I don’t know if anyone should trust me 100%. I was hoping Cosmos would have been a wolf, and we could start forming an alliance last night, but that didn’t pan out. You’ll have to make up your own minds about me based on the way I’ve been posting so far throughout the game.

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I was role blocked again last night.

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I also regret trying to protect you Lysk, you two-faced snake. Why is anyone trusting you?

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Excellent snooping @LyskTrevise! That makes sense as a way of twisting the seductress role to make it sound human and potentially fits nicely with the defector role.

@hollifer I’ll need to hear your defense. Tell us why we should not trust Lysk in this? What in particular is wrong with what he is saying?

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Lysk sent me a series of PMs attempting to gain my trust to reveal my role in exchange for his. The fact that my role is the same as the role on a wiki for a different game is poor, paper thin evidence, and fishy as hell.

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Its the same game but with a different theme.

And, a bit of an Out of Game comment: i know youre new to our forums, but please remember its just the nature of the game to be sneaky and deceive. If youre a human, you cant trust anyone. And if youre a wolf, you can ONLY trust other wolves. I hope you dont take antyhing in this game personally. Ive been backstabbed by Mattk50 after trusting him literally all game once, but were still friends out of game and we chat on steam sometimes.

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Nothing personal, I’m just passionate that I shouldn’t be lynched over such circumstantial evidence.

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Again, I’m a bit concerned that the only person who really seems to hold all the information here is Lysk. Does anyone else know the identity of the jailor? Or just you? What happens if you get taken out? All that information goes with you.

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I know the identity of the Jailor, I have been gathering information.

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I won’t reveal who unless absolutely necessary, due to it being a crucial role

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@Topperfalkon i understand your concern, but i dont want to give anything away at all. The people that have given me information have trusted me with it, and i wont betray that.

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In my defence, Lysk dragged up that deleted post of mine which I will now confirm that I can protect people at night. What kind of Wolf protects people at night?

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Sorry, let me be more clear about my accusation so you can properly defend yourself:

  1. Youre lying about the function of your role.
  2. You cant be killed at night, because youre a wolf.
  3. You visit people at night because you convert them when you visit them by “seducing” them into becoming wolves.
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