I am operating under the assumption that there are four wolves, rather than three. There were four wolves last game with an equal amount of players, and I think that four is a safe number to assume for now, though i dont rule out that both of you could be humans. In fact, I dont rule out that my whole thinking about this game is wrong so far, I have shown that I have been wrong on many occasions in the past this game.
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I am going to stand my ground for now
Am I also correct in believing that I donāt need to return to cryo since It didnāt suffer any damage?
Just to note. Like LyskTrevise suspected, I believe wolf gang also expect that the Security Grid or another system does that. Since I promised to provide information, they expect me to honor that pledge and kill me afterwards anyway.
Not to the Security Grid team.
No, hereās why:
Security Grid system - Controller of the system is able to monitor a system and deny any attempts at its sabotage during the nightā¦ and day.
So the system is similar to the Point Defence Array and something can sabotage systems. But I donāt believe it has happened even once. Day 2 started with two new systems damaged by debris. Day 3 started with three systems damaged by debris. Said by martin himself.
On Night 2 I and Enginish[citation needed] voted the same system during the night from sabotage. But it didnāt matter as it was damaged by debris in the morning. Security report did not mention damage or impact of the debris at all. I donāt know if it means that there is an order in which actions take place.
Still that doesnāt mean that an attempt of sabotage did not occur. Perhaps we can find out.
@martindevans is the damage to the Power Grid, the Point Defence Array and the Medical Bay equal?
@LyskTrevise the way you are describing Xamino, makes me think heās human too, so donāt expect me to vote for his lynch.
Youāre too kind.
As payment. I refuse to cooperate in further planned repairs.
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Christ lysk, thatās a hell of a comprehensive list for day two. I donāt agree with all of itā¦ but most of it, yeah. The way youāve acted is pretty human-like as well, not confirmedā¦ but very far from anyone i would lynchā¦
The info Sane has brought up is causing a lot of interesting discussion too. Thereās a few people iād be happy with lynching today and my list lines up pretty closely with treviseās.
One thing though, @pendrokar. I donāt believe āWell if i reveal the details of my role the wolves will murder me because itās too powerful but i guess they wont murder me despite me declaring my role is too powerfulā is something i buy as reasonable logic. But im also not sure why, if you were a wolf, you wouldnāt just lie about the role now that youāre the only one left on the system.
notedit: you posted while i was tryping this, hang on
I call shenanigans myself an idiot.
[retracted]
edit: Oh waitā¦ did i misunderstand the wording? Welpā¦ well thats out of the bag.
I didnāt know wolves could damage systems until I got the pm from Pen, so when cosmos asked if wolves could damage systems independently my brain thought he was asking the same question that had only just recently been answered for me. Oh and I also completely missed the part where Pendrokar already revealed that. Go to bed Sane, you are obviously losing it.
Regaining controlled of the systems is a good idea. At least some consistency is held that way:
Repairing Medical Bay
Thanks Lysk for the round up. Still. With that many players Iām lost. Everyone who has been active seem to have at least done something that isnāt 100% explainable.
I hoped that Terran was an easy Wolf kill. Identified by an easy Wolf error. But sadly I was wrong and things are still more convoluted. His Aliment Information will be useful though.
The lack of Krishna definitely is concern and I can understand the votes on him yesterday.
Though I generally refrain from lynching inactives. First, because in the past, most of them were humans, and second, because the GM killās them off completely. Although he does indeed answer if called upon ā¦
Even if Lysk disagrees, my biggest suspicions lye maybe on Noble and especially The Sane for now.
Stripping down the post of The Sane Iāve seen they seem to me like explanations to actions motivated outside of those explanations ā¦ if you get what Iām talking about. I think other motives are really moving him along.
His attacks on Krishna and Terran also raise suspicion to me.
But admittedly itās a quite shallow suspicion for now.
I was about to post about more people but found that I ether contradicted myself or had not enough material to base those theories onto.
The wolves will try to use the subsystems. And theyāll find a way Iām sure, and it wonāt be obvious but something that has positive side effects for Humans or negative effects on, over a longer period of time, framed targets. I think those first behind the scenes discussions, just for information, could be an indicator what can be gained by looking closely. Because those channels of influence will be used.
As in were they all damaged by the same thing (i.e. debris)? I canāt say.
I would more likely expect for you to call shenanigans on the lack of ādayā part. I had missed that part.
I have to go to sleep now (itās 2.00 here and I have a phone meeting at 10.00 in the morning with a customer). I read through Lyskās list. Itās a decent summary with most of the relevant events included.
I will try to extract something of value from it tomorrow.
Just to clarify, because I feel like theres a chance I may have offended, I meant that strictly as a compliment, and that you are pretty dang good at the wolf game! So sneakyā¦ Like, I never know what to think about you or Lucas in any of these games, ever, and with good reason!
I donāt expect anyone to listen to me! I am simply putting my thoughts out here for discussion to take place so the wolves can be identified. If you think he is a human, I strongly suggest going back and reading the thread and doing your own analysis and letting me know what you think about his behavior this game relative to other peopleās behavior. I fully admit to not being sure about anything this game, and am all ears for suggestions about how to proceed. You wonāt object if I put my own suggestions out here will you?
Do you mind elaborating a bit? I think its best if we have all of the discussion out in the open and in detail. What dont you agree with, why?
I hate to be that guy, but it would be great if you elaborated a little bit on your suspicions of both of them. You say Sane appears to have outside motivesā¦ Can you point to an example maybe? Some post that caught your eye and explain what you think about it?
EDIT: Iām going to go ahead and pull the trigger on something here to get things moving:
Krishna
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Man, things are moving fast!
I figured I would say that I was in regular contact with Enginish right up until he died. He had told me everything about Ciseās trade, as well as he told me that @Arkenbrien knew all about cise trading info yet he never spoke up about it. When Cise offered to trade, Enginish asked if Ark would independently verify info on cryo. As to my knowledge, he did nothing to alert anyone to Ciseās rather wolfy behavior. Iām skeptical about Ark, but what he said about Security Grid is inline with what I was told about it. That being said, Cise stands out to me more than Ark at the moment. He seems intent on starting chaos. Not to mention Enginish (mostly joking) told me that above all else āNever trust Cise. Cise is always a wolf. Even when you think heās a human, hes a wolf.ā I canāt entirely ignore advise like that.
You mean lynching the inactive? I stared it this for way too long of a time trying to figure out whats going on with this.
Also, no on has commented whether or not I should be put back on Power Grid.
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Iām conscious Iāve made quite a lot of calls regarding this, but I would rather you stayed put. I think it would be better to have groups of players on each system to be constant (allowing for better analysing of actions). I sort of interpret your argument of āWell if you donāt trust me, put me somewhere elseā as āIād like to join a potentially more potent systemā / āLet me join up with one of my wolf bros to make a majority!ā.
That is some major analysis by Trevise, I agree with Krishna and Cise being suspect.
Yes, I messed up not noticing Cosmosā vote, but what other suspicions do you have?
I tried to sway the vote against Krishna yesterday instead of Terran but didnāt quite succeed. This is not to say itās not possible that they could both be human, only that I didnāt simply sit back and accept (the confirmed human) Terranās lynching.
Lastly, are people wanting to randomise allocation of systems to players without home systems to repair?
Thereās no winning with you on my subsystem placement, is there? I said plenty of times having me on Power Grid could be useful, yet that seemed unwanted most of yesterday. When I wasnāt supposed to be on power grid yāall were chomping at the bit to kill me in order to keep me off it. Now your suspicious because Iām offering to stay off it? I even said it should have a large staff so itās as safe as can be. This isnāt me lobbying for a new system, itās me lobbying to be placed where people will trust me. Power Grid is more than potent for me. There are a lot of fishy things going on here, but my willingness to stay away from where Iām not wanted smells of roses compared to this.
Amazing analysis and notes Lysk. I wish I had the foresight to start that habitā¦you can be sure I have it now 
Thatās handy! I also want to thank everyone for bearing with me over the weekend. I now have a large amount of homework to catch up on in addition to keeping up with you crazies on this damned ship.
To begin with, I agree with keeping our destroyed subsystems and vote to repair the Medbay.
Now, what to do with all this information and analysisā¦I will tell you what I seeā¦I see plots within plots. The shadows within plots!..just kidding I see nothing 
A lot of drama happened since the dayās beginning. Iām not sure what to take from the Cise, Sane, Ark story. Cise and Sane seem to have it out for each other while Ark is a little silent. Iām inclined to believe the ābusyā excuse for the reason that it happens, and it happened to me this weekend as well. Plus Iām a gamer I know how it is to play a game Iāve been waiting too long to. Iād still like a better explanation and reasoning from Ark however.
As far as who to suspect for Cise or Sane, I am not sure. Saneās immediate info drop to frame Cise is very bold. Including this and the fact he began the bandwagon on TA while cryoing himself seems like a sneaky wolf play. Itās not very clear which way this cookie crumbles which makes me doublethink my decisionsā¦ Orh wellā¦(get it? 
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Having said that, Sane does have good reason to bring up suspicion for Cise. Unfortunately, Enginish is no longer around to confirm the conversations either of those two had with him, and share any other information he had gathered.
Iām also worried about Pendrokar being the lone voter for security. I appreciate that heās shared what it does, but that doesnāt make me trust him or the information he gave us without anyone else to verify it. If heās a wolf, then the position heās currently in is exactly what theyāve been working for and that makes me nervous. Perhaps we should put him in Cyro tonight so he canāt do anything dangerous and hope that RND destroys the subsystem so we can redistribute votes towards it? Of course, we can just lynch him too I suppose. Like others have said, I canāt be certain if heās a wolf or a humanā¦ Thoughts?
I donāt have anything against @the_sane he just falls into my list as well as @Arkenbrien , who was in the same loop as the_sane, lysktrevise, and myself before enginish died.
Sorry for the inactivity, been busy (see mailbox fiasco). Iāll clarify what was going on in the info exchange from my perspective: I hadnāt received anything pertaining to the info trade, including on the cryo thread, until Enginish contacted me about it. Nothing from Cise. Nor from Sane, apparently, whom I just learned was also trying to trade some info. While I was indeed suspicious of Cise at the time because of this, I was more so of Enginish. As it seemed to me, Enginish was trying to get me to āverifyā info that would have either come from Cise or, as I suspected, just an educated guess. In which case, if I had gone ahead blindly, I might have given the system info away.
Given the choice of two suspicious activities, I decided to play defensively and contact Cise immediately to see whether or not he tried to start this info exchange. Unfortunately, RL stuff happened (see mailbox fiasco), and I wasnāt able to pursue this further. When I finally had time to get on, the day was over. However, I was able to learn that the whole thing was apparently a trap based on the hypothesis that a wolf would trade false info. This would be in exchange āfor making me think it was real and obtaining the information we have decided to hold back,[sic]ā. As it turns out, Enginish is human. This doesnāt leave a lot of innocent parties around.
If needed, Iāll post the transcript of my interactions with Cise and Enginish.
So, how do you know if that info was true or false, @Cise?
This, coupled with the flat-out betrayal/whatever of the previously made decision to freeze Sane has raised a lot of red flags for me.
We never exchanged any information
Having not the time nor the determination, nor is it my style, I mostly donāt try to guess plots. I rather analyze actions and writing style and then go with my Intuition.
The Sane and Noble have both been very aggressive (well Noble not as much) towards people I donāt suspect. Sure they could be right and I have been wrong in the past many times. But my intuition tells me that are active Wolves ā¦ I myself find that hard to stand behind though, thatās why I havenāt voted yet.
Iām not trying to steer the discussion away from the other suspects. Just voicing my thoughts.
Early in the morning + Spell Checker = Not intended Slur ā¦ I meant inactives of course.
After reading through the notes one particular individual pops out in my radar based on his actions (not some theoretical plots):
Pendrokar
- Pendrokar votes for Terran (known human and his own subsystem crew member), claims that he hasnāt been contributing enough, only posting āuseless posts to increase perceived activity.ā
- Pendrokar does admit that this will leave Security with only two members, and is a risk.
- Pendrokar promises to reveal Security Grid powers should he end up alone in his system.
- Pendrokar conveniently ends up alone in his system as Enginish, his last team member in PG, is killed.
- Pendrokar does not fully honor his pledge to his team and reveals only half of the PG powers (has not said anything about the desperate measures nor critical failure and we all know every system has those).
Not sure if itās a good idea to reveal the full PG powers publicly (if we knew 100% that Pendrokar is a wolf then it would be since the whole wolf team would already know). But Pendrokar lied about his intentions to his now dead teammates, stopping them from potentially giving the full information of the power grid to some trusted people before getting killed. To me this all looks awfully like a violent takeover of the power grid and thus I suggest we try to get more crew into the PG as soon as possible since I wouldnāt trust it to Pendrokarās hands alone.
This sounds all good, but if you were a wolf then we would know who these ātrusted peopleā are and this means no human knows the true powers of the PG.
I will not place a vote yet and give Pendrokar a chance to respond to this. But if his response does not convince me I will be placing my vote on Pendrokar.
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I never said you did. In fact, this raises further suspicion, if you never had any info on the system.
All I was asking was how you would tell if you the info you would have gotten would be true/false, considering your āplanā was to see if Enginish was a wolf by making him believe that you believed the info that he would have sent you was false, assuming the info that he would have sent you was false.
From what you told me, your plan hinges on Enginish giving you true or false info. It seems to me that you already had prior knowledge of the system to base your plan off that assumption.
@NobleBrutus If you want to re-allocated the extra players into the undamaged systems/security grid, I suggest we come up with a plan sooner rather than later, to give everybody a chance to get into their systems before the day ends.
Hopefully Iāll time this afternoon, but otherwise Iām going to be quiet until evening.