This is my first post as I am new to this forum… I have an idea!!!.., What if you were able to explore the inner workings of planetary objects such as THE EARTH!!! It reminds me of the past in what we previously thought to be “THE TRUTH” that the earth was indeed “HOLLOW”!!! Imagine exploring a hole that has no top nor bottom, one that continues through to the other side much like an apple or an orange, it has a core yes but it also has two ends that lead to the core. Basically what I am asking is will we get the opportunity to explore Argatha (inner earth)?
Probably not. At least not in the Infinity games.
I’d wait until someone else got their hands on the engine and made a game around that.
Since (as far as we know) Infinity/Battlescape will be based on realistic versions of planets, I can’t see hollow ones existing! However, the idea is so bizarre it kind of fascinates me and I would be interested to see if any clever people manage to get their hands on the engine and try it out.
It would be hard to make interesting I think though, unless you structured an entire game progression along a journey through the centre of the planet.
If the Infinity MMO would have major expansions, I would expect one to be based around the underwater environments, while the other on underground environments.
Talking about underwater environments, it just occurred to me that atmospheres and liquid oceans are essentially two ends of the same scale.
If there’s gameplay in atmospheres with varying density (eg ship handling considerations, stations suspended from baloons, etc. etc.), are not liquid oceans just a continuation of that scale? Would ‘different’ gameplay mechanics be required?
Main difference would be the expected effect of applying force to your vessel in a liquid rather than a gas. Since liquids can be turned into gas, I’d expect this to happen, quite quickly, if you tried to push yourself through an ocean with the same engines that can accelerate hundreds of tons of spaceship at tens of gs.
There’s a reason why naval torpedoes do not, last I heard, use rocket engines.
On the matter of underground content, the chance of a cave naturally forming that’s large enough to have spaceships dogfighting inside of it, on any celestial object, is tiny. The chance of the cave collapsing if spaceships started dogfighting inside it? Quite large, but the engine isn’t, afaik, built to handle collapsing terrain. Simplest way to avoid it is to just not have them.
So no, I rather doubt any sort of underground content will ever be a thing until/unless walking is implemented, and even then I doubt it’ll be unrealistically large caverns.
Well of course the Soviets put a rocket engine on a torpedo and made it work.
Now all you need to do is program the graphical effects for large volumes of water being turned into vapour as you’re moving through it, and convince Kichae that not only should his spaceship have wings, it should have a specially designed nosecone on the end of a stick poking out in front of it to allow rapid underwater travel.
If we come to the point of discussing how much a spaceship should change form in order to dive underwater like a submarine. Then we accept that a submarine which is built and only acts underwater would act better in an underwater environment than a spaceship could.
If that is so, why are we skipping aeroplanes, which would be faster and much more maneuverable than a spaceship? Sure aeroplanes would not be able to follow spaceships to outer space and also not be able to circumvent the globe as fast a spaceship in stationary orbit could. But that doesn’t make them useless for defense.
Because the spaceships’ propulsion systems are so powerful that it doesn’t matter. Also we can’t go too fast near a planet because the planet has to load in front of us.
Umm, sorry, no, this theory was never taken seriously by people who studied geology. This is based on old sailor’s stories, and passed down as popular myth, just like sea serpents, gryphons, and antipodian people who walked on their hands and had their faces in their torsos. You’re equating the golden age of sail’s version of The National Enquirer with serious academic study.
Check out the north and south poles of mars the moon and earth using google earth, zoom in to the surface and go into first person mode, notice anything? The facts are that there are cavities under the ocean floor all across the globe, but to get on subject I am talking about the possibility of Inner Planetary Exploration to be implemented into the ENGINE NOT THE GAME,
I do believe that Google Earth has issues around the poles, as it tries to map the different sectors of imagery to a sphere. So it’s possible these are computer generated artefacts and not actually there. But then I haven’t used Google Earth in a long time, so I can’t actually check.
The I-Novae engine, as far as I know, can be used for generating star systems, planets and a variety of celestial bodies. I see no reason why it could not be expanded later (either by I-Novae themselves or by a licencee) to include small caverns and possibly tunnels. Even the ICP had some crafted tunnels through some asteroids.
However, holes through the centre of planets? Completely unrealistic and therefore not likely to be included in this engine. (Note the “not likely”. I don’t speak for I-Novae… although I have been following them for quite a while…)
Thank you for this. This is the most clarification on the issue I have heard so kudos to you. I think the south pole should have more careful examination because even from space this hole anomaly still occurs. Perhaps there are poles within our planet under certain layers and that can explain why radar readings can go haywire. The Nazis claimed to have found this bottomless pit in Antarctica under the ice, Bible thumpers know that Cain became a vagabond inside the Earth(not on) to the land of Nod and there are a lot of ancient beliefs that intelligent life exists inside of our Earth. I’m not sure if we know the full truth anyways but it leads to some very interesting discussions!
And yet from the surface, as seen from the science station located there and the airplanes bringing in supplies and people, no sign of it! How mysterious!
The “Nazi bottomless pit” you’re failing to provide a citation for may be the fairly well known Lake Vostok which actually is extremely interesting from a scifi standpoint as it’s location under more than 3km of ice has likely rendered it completely isolated from the outside world for several million years. Ice core sample analysis results have not yet been publicized.
Quoting scripture and “a lot of ancient beliefs” simply leads me to believe you’re a troll, and not a good one at that.
Well maybe try looking into this and see for yourself. What is a bottomless pit? I thought people still believed hell was a real place and I think some still do. The facts are we really do not know as of yet. This article is for the I-NOVAE engine and needs to stay relevant if we want this feature to be a possibility.
In ancient times, the concept of a subterranean land inside the earth appeared in mythology, folklore and legends. The idea of subterranean realms seemed arguable, and became intertwined with the concept of “places” of origin or afterlife, such as the Greek underworld, the Nordic Svartálfaheimr, the Christian Hell, and the Jewish Sheol (with details describing inner Earth in Kabalistic literature, such as the Zohar and Hesed L’Avraham). The idea of a subterranean realm is also mentioned in Tibetan Buddhism belief, according to one story there is an ancient city called Shamballa which is located inside the earth.
According to the Ancient Greeks there were caverns under the surface which were entrances leading to the underworld, some of which were the caverns at Tainaron in Lakonia, at Trozien in Argolis, at Ephya in Thesprotia, at Herakleia in Pontos, and in Ermioni. In Thracians and Dacians legend it is said that there are underground chambers occupied by an ancient God called Zalmoxis. In Mesopotamian religion there is a story of a man who, after traveling through the darkness of a tunnel in the mountain of “Mashu”, entered a subterranean garden.
An ancient legend of the Angami Naga tribes of India claim that their ancestors emerged in ancient times from a subterranean land inside the earth. There are legends from the Taíno people that their ancestors emerged in ancient times from two caves in a mountain underground.
It is the belief of the natives of the Malinowski’s Trobriand Islands that their ancestors had come from a subterranean land through a cavern hole called “Obukula”. There is an ancient legend held in Mexican folklore that a cave in a mountain five miles south of Ojinaga, Mexico is possessed by devilish creatures who came from inside the earth.
There was an ancient myth held in the middle ages that some mountains located between Eisenach and Gotha in Germany hold a portal to the inner earth. There is an old Russian legend that says the Samoyeds, an ancient Siberian tribe, traveled to an underground cavern city to live inside the earth.
In Native American mythology, it is said that the ancestors of the Mandan people in ancient times emerged from a subterranean land through a cave at the north side of the Missouri River. There is also a tale about a tunnel in the San Carlos Apache Indian Reservation in Arizona near Cedar Creek which is said to lead inside the earth to a land inhabited by a mysterious tribe. It is also the belief of the tribes of Iroquois that their ancient ancestors emerged from a subterranean world inside the earth. The elders of the Hopi people believe that a Sipapu entrance in the Grand Canyon exists which leads to the underworld.
According to South American mythology the belief of the Brazilian Indians, who live alongside the Parima River in Brazil, claim that their forefathers emerged in ancient times from an underground land, and that many of their ancestors still remained inside the earth. There are also legends that say the ancestors of the Inca Empire came from underground caves which are located east of Cuzco, Peru.
I’m not good at trolling because I’m not a troll and I’m not trolling. Proof is in the pudding
are you sure you aren’t mistakably trolling?, no offense but I am right about this. You do seem like a very intelligent individual like a lot of people on this forum, I just see things differently than most and I don’t know if that is a good or bad thing.
@Dovahkiin111 this is your first warning for spamming this thread, the last 4 posts are all from you. Please take more time and consideration when writing a post so that you do not need to keep writing additional posts before anyone has a chance to respond.