0.6.X.X Feedback Thread

#1

Some controversial changes in these patches. No time to write up feedback myself right now but others should.

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#2

Warp exit speed being the same as the enter speed feels like a mostly negative change, especially for interceptors.

In an interceptor, you’ll usually exit warp next to a small ship you want to attack, a friendly corvette, or a hangar bay. In all cases you need to exit warp at a relatively slow speed to stay close to your target. With the current warp model, if you entered warp too fast, you need to spend time and usually a lot of energy to slow down. If your target was an enemy ship, that means less energy for blasters and maneuvers.

The way I’ve been dealing with this is slowing down before entering warp, but it feels like an unnecessary slowing down of the gameplay’s pace. It’s also not always possible, for example, if you’re running away from player interceptors (it doesn’t make escaping harder, just more makes it annoying to get back in the fight, or to exit warp next to a corvette or hangar bay to get repairs).

There’s one case where it can be useful, chasing down enemy players in small ships, so it would be nice to have a (radial menu?) option to choose between exiting warp at entry speed or at the fixed, minimum warp speed like before this change.

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#3
  • Direct mode and Capital Ship mode should be merged. Capital Ship Forward/Backward Axis doesn’t work in Capital Ship mode. The gunsight doesn’t track head movement in Direct mode for capital ships. Please change.
  • Starmap still uses Forward/Backward Axis to move up and down. I have this axis mapped to my Throttle which is problematic. There should be dedicated Map axis binds.
  • It is a pain that typing in a chat channel restricts you from seeing other channels unless you hit All channels again.
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#4

Here’s what I can scrape from the last few times I played…

The controversial warp change didn’t have much impact in the way I played really. It must be a quite personal thing though. I see its pros and cons. I like the things it does to the warp dynamic. We really didn’t need much change in that field though, so it makes it a bit controversial.
It setting the throttle is definetly a problem but Flavien mentioned that isn’t part of the disputed feature and he might switch the setting of the throttle back to the old behaviour.
The only weird thing about it is how it takes away from the thing we got accustomed to, dependable exit velocities.
Maybe disrupting the disconnect between in and out of warp could help by having manual override used inside of warp affect the dropout velocity. Might just complicate things without benefit …

This change also seems to have introduced a few small bugs. Mostly with drop out not seeming to trigger at the right time sometimes and thus bringing back the old friend “be catapulted to big speeds when exiting warp”

I was quite weary when the thinner and shorter bars got introduced. The bars don’t work well with the cockpit pillars of the Interceptor. HUD concept seems to have that fixed though.
What I noticed is that the difference between HUD on and HUD off has become significantly smaller. The effects of the game seem to really come trough better now. Nice.


Bugs:

  • Warp speed does not automatically change when in menues. This is super dangerous … Warping towards a planet and checking something in a menu kills you.

  • Asteroids

    Capital ship can phase trough them. Pilot did see sparks but no course change.
    Not sure if the server even knows about these. shrug

    Interceptor collided with it (clientside) but then got error corrected inside the asteroid. I tried to find its
    “true” surface but didn’t seem to.

    Also, the asteroid rotation is not synchronized between clients. I think that is know though.

  • The team stats list didn’t show all my teammates or enemies after reconnecting.

  • This happens when not selecting a team and getting kicked of the server due to inactivity:

  • Ever since the server screen was introduced I got this bug where all servers show the same ping:


Awesome stuff:




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#5

Quick feedback to the latest changes, even if some or most of the improvements are planned probably anyway I still want to mention them:

  • I think the weapons switching with right mouse button is a good step in the right direction, once weapons group management is in it will really be usefull I think
  • the overheat bars next to the weapons are a nice addition
  • please reattach the health stats to the selected target again, is tiresome to always glance to the side and look for the stat window
  • I really dont like that missiles and torps are treated as a primary weapon, they should behave like grenades in FPS games and still have a special key available
  • autofire in capitals is weird, I have not found out how to manually fire the weapons, but dropping next to your desired target and then having the guns fire at other stuff is frustrating, I am not saying you should change them to before, I actually like that the workload to command a cap ship is lightened, but this is an issue
  • a big quality of life improvement would be if the game would remember the view settings between ship respawns, by that I mean that if I changed the cap ship view to external and zoomed out completely I’d like the game to remember this setting between respawns - ideally also permanently between sessions
  • same goes for hud mode, its already between spawns, but between sessions would be even better
  • a color change for the gas giant and some color tweaks on the moons would go a long way to make the game seem fresh
  • the auto turn marker on the hud is super faint and a lot of times really hard to see, please also make the game remember the chosen setting for autoturn between respawns and sessions
  • a enemy selected as the target is not really super obvious on the hud
  • the auto fire * on the weapons isnt really self explainatory, adding a small label “autofire” and “autoaim” would make it more clear what is happening
  • a small label “shield” and “hull” beneath the hud elements would be good to make it clear what is shown
  • the thrusters using energy is much more annoying now that we have to cycle through weapons, it super sucks to choose blasters and then have them dribbling out because all the energy was used for thrusters
  • please make the thruster boost just independent of energy management, and instead make them overheat like a kinetic gun instead of using up energy, I think it would be more plausible and not another frustrating issue, I think its also confusing for newcomers to suddenly have the blasters dribbled with no clear reason

Some suggestions for the upcoming squad implementation:

  • please dont restrict squad size
  • make it possible to enable a small window where the heath stats of squad members and the distance to yourself is displayed, including the wrench symbol for possible arkenvettes
  • make it possible to mark enemies, to enable squad members to concentrate on the same targets

The game is amazing btw.

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#6

Big changes and big update indeed.
This felt a lot different and it took quite a time for me to switch to this different style of handling weapons.


Some bugs first:
Was already in last patch: AMS keeps visuals on when warp is engaged while it is firing. (doesn’t seem to do damage)


Missile sound effects are kind of wonky, maybe it changed now and signifies if it is reloaded. If out of range it beeps. If not reloaded it beeps and sometimes it still does.

Cycle weapons in capital ships does behave a bit not so intuitive. Pressing the button repetitively it first goes onto all weapons and switches them to automatic. Then pressing the button again it keeps switching missiles on and of. I would prefer for it to behave similar to small ships. Cycle one weapon to manual.


I didn’t use keyboard and as such was using the radial and the cycle. I heard that the number buttons work great in capital ships, which I can believe.
I think the change works best on the capital ships. Autofire is a big one of course, I like it. It seems appropriate and allows me to choose what thing to focus on. Not having to do gunner duty constantly.
I can Imagine the game now working much better with controllers … yet the game is very intense and fast paced. Having to cycle or go into a menu to switch weapons isn’t quick at all. Ships with limited amounts of weapons or automatic fire are best suited.
The bomber is as such the furthest from the optimal. Many weapons, none of them automatic. It’s slower kind of gameplay helps a bit still, switching to shotguns in a hit and run is quite hard to do when not using the number keys. I personally would reduce the number of weapon groups in my personal ship setup to allow me to have less downtime while cycling weapons.
The differentiation between automatic and manual is a bit too subtle shown on the hud in my opinion. There’s no indication on the radial menu too. An easy way to improve that is to only show the “brackets” for manual weapons. As weapons that are automatic are fully illuminated (plus *) and ones that are off are darker already anyway.

The instant lock for missiles is also a big change. Either it is me being used to the old way or sometimes it felt a bit wonky. The way the missiles behaved was good though, I understood their flight path and why they missed.
I really really like the way it removes the waiting time … this dead time just during the fight really didn’t feel satisfying. Me fighting to switch weapons was much more fun then just waiting for a tone to appear. Something in between would be cool too though. The thing in the HUD concept seemed to be the best thing though, with a dedicated readout of the missiles reload status.
I see playbennies suggestion to make them more like grenades … yet I don’t feel like that will be easy to solve with the bigger ships that carry two types.
Rather I would feel it would work better to bring them more in line like like usual weapons would behave. With repeating firing while holding down and consistent reload time that is visually signified. As there isn’t consistent fire like from a gun or blaster there needs to be a substitute like a number of dots around the targeting circle. Kind of a “one last torpedo before I switch to guns again” would feel much better and more consistent and less stressful that way. On the cruiser this already feels a bit like that. Missiles barrages are relentless.

The weapons radial menu being moved where it is now feels much more … familiar now. Console shooter style. The weapon settings being in some other menu was weird before. I like the radial menu redesign. A lot of space in them now.
I really struggle to keep track what weapon is selected. Looking at the HUD Mockups I see that there’s a readout of the current weapon near the centre though, so that won’t be a problem in the future.

I really like the AI changes. Feels great and a nice bump in difficulty. Still think there should be different regions or times of difficulty instead of in battle mix.

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#7

I’ll comment more tomorrow, but keep in mind this patch is only half of the equation. The HUD update had a dependency on it, since the new HUD update only displays information related to the currently selected weapon ( at least on small ships ). It should start to make more sense / be more coherent once the new HUD is in.

More feedback on the balance is welcome too. This patch hasn’t directly changed the balance ( as in: the parameters for weapons and ships are identical, minus the AMS heat which is really a small thing ). What did change was the AI, which is smarter and fires missiles / torpedoes more often, and in batches. Watching Dan’s stream, it’s possible ( / probable ) that AMS is now under-powered. Capital ships might die too quickly to the missiles / torpedoes spam, the AMS being able to only kill 1, maybe 2, but not the whole batch.

I also need to rework a bit the priority system for automatic turrets. At the moment they ignore the primary selected target by the player; each of the turrets just choose their own targets. I think it might make more sense to focus on the player’s selected target if the turret can damage / fire at it, and fall back to other targets if it can’t.

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#8

They are ammo bars, not overheating :slight_smile:

It’ll sit on the right center of the HUD in the upcoming HUD update, see the draft screenshots.

We internally debated about that, but decided to treat them as any normal weapon, mostly for HUD reasons ( we want to get away with the main HUD showing multiple weapons status at the same time ).

There are 3 states to cycle with the hotkey: disabled -> automatic -> manual. When it’s on automatic you’ll see [ * ] appear in the weapons list. If not, then the weapons are on manual. But keep in mind they still won’t fire if they’re on cooldown or the turrets are not aligned to the target yet.

Yep, as mentionned earlier we still need to rework the priority system.

Noted, good point. At some point, we decided it was reset every time because new players would get confused after randomly rotating their cameras.

We need to do more work on planets / environments at some point. Color tweaks would be possible but I’m not sure they’d help that much.

The capship auto-turn ? IIRC it’s already 100% opaque, so I’m not sure what can be done other than using another color and/or making it bigger ( or glowing ? ). For the persistent state, noted.

Room is limited, especially now that we display the weapon name, so I’m not sure there’s enough space to display more text.

We’ll discuss this internally, however one drawback would be the addition of yet another status bar, which isn’t helping beginners.

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#9

If its only a few minutes of work to have the gas giant look different in the next patch I think it would help to have something fresh for the eyes :smile: A jupiter colored gas giant would be nice for some time.

Just don’t have a status bar then, Elite doesn’t have one either for the boost I believe?!
I think its worth to try out once.

Weird, can you look at this screen capture from yesterdays events?:


The marker seems to fade in and out, during battles I usually keep the button pressed to follow the mouse direction.
#10

Yeah, it does fade off when your ship gets aligned to it. You’d want to keep it 100% opaque all the time ?

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#11

As long as I still hold the button atively pressed yes, that would be nicer.

#12

I don’t like it when turrets uselessly consume power or overheat by firing to random targets, preventing me from warping or reducing my DPS on the actual target. This should at least be configurable (without relying on manual mode).

#13

Patch 0.6.7.0 ( Saturday February 8th 2020 )

  • Weapon groups are now exclusive on small ships: for ex. selecting blasters will unselect guns

It’s not very handy for inty. For me it’s awful solution as inty pilot. I lost seconds in battle during change weapon groups and sometimes select wrong group and it confuse me. Previously method with different weapon groups binded to different keys was awsome. Do u have 2 pedals on your car or just one with select mode button? No need to invent bicycle.